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http://me.pcmag.com/windows-10/5390/new ... windows-10

You know, PCs are becoming more like smartphones, and vice versa; there were things secureboot, and now Windows-only CPUs! I think, OS hobbyists would have to find alternative computers in the future, say, Raspberry Pi.

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You've got it backwards. Windows 10 will be the only version of Windows to officially support new CPUs.

Muazzam wrote:Windows-only CPUs!

Nope.

Muazzam wrote: I think, OS hobbyists would have to find alternative computers in the future, say, Raspberry Pi.

PCs are, and will remain, more open than the Raspberry Pi.

After many threads I started that could be regarded as "troll," I thought it'd better to clarify that.

If you really want to clarify that you will edit the OP to reflect your misunderstanding of what you posted about. Otherwise it may very well look like another trolling thread.

Octocontrabass wrote:You've got it backwards. Windows 10 will be the only version of Windows to officially support new CPUs.

Muazzam wrote:Windows-only CPUs!

Nope.

Both situations are possible.

iansjack wrote:PCs are, and will remain, more open than the Raspberry Pi.

Maybe. But I've seen many PCs that don't support disabling Secureboot. And being able to disable Secureboot is no longer mandatory for Windows computers.

It certainly does look like a trolling thread now.

Muazzam wrote:Maybe. But I've seen many PCs that don't support disabling Secureboot. And being able to disable Secureboot is no longer mandatory for Windows computers.

Locking with firmware is way more feasible than locking with the CPU.

they will only run Windows 10; you can't downgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1

I think, the article talks about older Windows versions going to be unsupported. Intel won't make their desktop and server CPUs "Windows-only", because they need the server market, where Windows doesn't seem to be widespread.

This subject has been discussed a lot in many places over the Internet. It's nothing more than a basement for trolling.

Hi,

a) Future CPUs will be backward compatible and will run all OSs (that the computer's firmware supports - e.g. you're not going to be able to boot MS-DOS if the system is "UEFI only").

b) The other stuff inside the same chip as the CPU (mostly GPU) will work on any OS that provides drivers for it.

c) Microsoft have said "for newer CPUs/chips, that other stuff (mostly GPU) won't be officially supported". This doesn't mean it won't work ("unofficially supported"). Mostly it only means that device driver developers can stop providing drivers for older versions of Windows if they want to (and blame Microsoft when people complain instead of taking all the blame themselves).

d) Alternative OSs will be unaffected, and will continue to have no drivers for recently released hardware (the same as it's been for the last 20+ years).

e.1) For secure-boot, it's unlikely that (for laptop/desktop/server) computer manufacturers will remove the option for disabling secure boot (even though Windows 10's logo doesn't force them to provide it); partly because it's already in the firmware and they're not saving any $$ by bothering to remove it, and partly because it reduces the target market slightly and costs them $$ instead.

e.2) The main thing to worry about with secure-boot is something I'd call "boiling the frog" - increase the restrictions a little ("Hey, we forced manufacturer's to provide an option to disable it!"), let people get used to it, increase the restrictions a bit more ("Hey, manufacturer's can still provide an option to disable it!"), let people get used to that, increase the restrictions a bit more...

f) Systems using other CPUs (ARM, MIPS, etc) will continue to be far worse (because there's all the same problems; but far fewer standards that an OS relies on, like PCI and firmware).


Cheers,

Brendan

Roman wrote:It's nothing more than a basement for trolling.

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Brendan wrote:Hi,

a) Future CPUs will be backward compatible and will run all OSs (that the computer's firmware supports - e.g. you're not going to be able to boot MS-DOS if the system is "UEFI only").

b) The other stuff inside the same chip as the CPU (mostly GPU) will work on any OS that provides drivers for it.

c) Microsoft have said "for newer CPUs/chips, that other stuff (mostly GPU) won't be officially supported". This doesn't mean it won't work ("unofficially supported"). Mostly it only means that device driver developers can stop providing drivers for older versions of Windows if they want to (and blame Microsoft when people complain instead of taking all the blame themselves).

d) Alternative OSs will be unaffected, and will continue to have no drivers for recently released hardware (the same as it's been for the last 20+ years).

e.1) For secure-boot, it's unlikely that (for laptop/desktop/server) computer manufacturers will remove the option for disabling secure boot (even though Windows 10's logo doesn't force them to provide it); partly because it's already in the firmware and they're not saving any $$ by bothering to remove it, and partly because it reduces the target market slightly and costs them $$ instead.

e.2) The main thing to worry about with secure-boot is something I'd call "boiling the frog" - increase the restrictions a little ("Hey, we forced manufacturer's to provide an option to disable it!"), let people get used to it, increase the restrictions a bit more ("Hey, manufacturer's can still provide an option to disable it!"), let people get used to that, increase the restrictions a bit more...

f) Systems using other CPUs (ARM, MIPS, etc) will continue to be far worse (because there's all the same problems; but far fewer standards that an OS relies on, like PCI and firmware).


Cheers,

Brendan

You're right that backward capability is not going away soon. I just shared what I read on a website.

But, also, the thing that you've mentioned in e.2 is worth worrying about. I think, '80s was the golden era for the people that wanted to know what was really going behind their computers. Maybe, the open-source hardware trend starts again in the future. Just like the software.

Muazzam wrote:

Roman wrote:It's nothing more than a basement for trolling.

press ctrl+left

Leaving my browser just because of a person posting nonsense?

Roman wrote:

Muazzam wrote:

Roman wrote:It's nothing more than a basement for trolling.

press ctrl+left

Leaving my browser just because of a person posting nonsense?

not the browser but this "nonsense" thread! (why did you delete my post, mods? And not the user's that called me "nonsense"?)

EDIT: a word or two removed.

Your posts are troll-bait, your threads devolve into you egging people on for arguments over dumb crap, and your signature is intentionally inflammatory and gets more and more so by the week.

Please stop posting here.

Muazzam wrote: not the browser but this fu***** nonsense thread! (why did you delete my post, mods?

Your post makes it abundantly clear that you realize why the uncensored version of it was deleted. I'm not sure that this latest version is any better.

I have to agree that the majority of your posts are offensive or flame-bait. Your signature is pathetic and goes a long way to explain the popularity of idiots like Donald Trump.

Grow up.