zOMG WINDOZE 7!!!

[Coty]

Yes, my dad called vista lame when he found the GUI was basically a program running on the OS.

[earlz]

Yes, my dad called vista lame when he found the GUI was basically a program running on the OS.

I've tried explaining such things, but it's hard when people don't properly understand the concept of programs

[Troy Martin]

Haha, yeah, I'm often referred to as the "hacker" by those who have no idea about programming and/or OS/program structure and see me coding. I was pastebin'ing some code I had written in the library before school this morning and some kid called me an "uberleet hacker." At least they got the usage of "hacker" correct.

[earlz]

Haha, yeah, I'm often referred to as the "hacker" by those who have no idea about programming and/or OS/program structure and see me coding. I was pastebin'ing some code I had written in the library before school this morning and some kid called me an "uberleet hacker." At least they got the usage of "hacker" correct.

that's what people say when I'm doing simple stuff like using putty rofl

[Masterkiller]

IMO a GUI should not be classified as an OS, or even part of it.

That might be true for an OS developer, but for most mere mortals the GUI is the operating system.

You should tell that to microsoft. Maybe they will listen and exclude their GUI from the setup and windows startup, so you can start without a GUI that costs so much memory. (But probably not!); Who said "640KB must be enough for anybody"?

[Coty]

Actually 640k isn't alot but if you think about it, and what all you can fit into 640k, 640k looks like a somewhat large amount

I've tried explaining such things, but it's hard when people don't properly understand the concept of programs

Sometimes it gets a bit frustrating huh?

Haha, yeah, I'm often referred to as the "hacker" by those who have no idea about programming and/or OS/program structure and see me coding. I was pastebin'ing some code I had written in the library before school this morning and some kid called me an "uberleet hacker." At least they got the usage of "hacker" correct.

Hackers we are cald, hackers we often are, I do Enjoy hacking open source programs and turn them upside down for fun

Actually I think A GUI could in a way be the OS itself, look and Dex's newest 512 byte OS entry for an example, its main core is a mouse driver

[Colonel Kernel]

You should tell that to microsoft. Maybe they will listen and exclude their GUI from the setup and windows startup, so you can start without a GUI that costs so much memory.

There is a version of Windows without a GUI -- Windows Server Core.

[madeofstaples]

The only windows I've had installed on any of my systems for the past year or so is XP SP3. One machine did come with Vista, but at the time I was tasked with rewriting some very old software (written for windows 3.1 and adapted for windows 95) which would not run properly in Vista, so XP replaced it.

Other than that, I've worked a bit on my roommate's computer to have it triple boot XP, Vista, and Gentoo (and yet adhere to his customary partition scheme, which was more of a challenge than it should have been). My roommate did download the Windows 7 beta a while ago (long enough ago that it has expired, I believe), and I did get a chance to play around in it before my roommate replaced it with Vista again.

I have generally no qualms with XP; although it is particularly annoying that when I find I need to use XP (after a period of almost exclusively using Gentoo), not 5 minutes after logging in, some updates will be installed and I will be asked "Do you want to restart?" (and of course if I happen to have looked away, XP automatically selects "Yes" for me after a delay). It just strikes me as hideously unfriendly to ask if I would like to exit windows so shortly after starting it.

In that limited experience with Vista, my impressions went from "awful" to actually "decent". One day I was rushing to finish an assignment for a class that was due in a matter of hours (online). It depended on a rare proprietary plugin, so I depended on Vista. I booted up my OEM-installed Vista to find that it believed itself to be a pirated copy and I needed to now take the time to call a number and sort it out. I think I finished that assignment with maybe a minute to spare. Lately, I've actually been impressed with Vista's performance on my roommate's computer (or maybe I'm just impressed with his hardware, which is all fairly recent--intel quad core 2.5 Ghz, 6GB ram, ati 4850hd iirc). I cannot wrap my head around the UAC implementation, but my roommate doesn't seem to mind it. Everything seems a bit snappier than in XP ("Everything" referring to at least: Adobe CS4, VS.NET 2008, MatLab, 3DSMax).

In my even briefer encounter with Windows 7, I must admit I was very impressed. I don't know that I would be ready to take out my wallet just yet, but I didn't even anticipate the release of XP this much. I don't think I would install it on any of my current systems, but I would definitely consider installing it on a future one.

Yes, my dad called vista lame when he found the GUI was basically a program running on the OS.

How do you mean? Admittedly, I haven't read much on the subject, but I thought that a lot of the GUI was implemented in a more privileged CPL? I also wasn't aware it had a PID? Or was your dad referring to the composite manager? Why would that be lame?

[Coty]

How do you mean? Admittedly, I haven't read much on the subject, but I thought that a lot of the GUI was implemented in a more privileged CPL? I also wasn't aware it had a PID? Or was your dad referring to the composite manager? Why would that be lame?

errm O_o I have no Idea what he was referring to, I was just explaining that the GUI was not the OS.

[scgtrp]

Who said "640KB must be enough for anybody"?

Not Bill Gates. However, he did say:

The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers.

Personally I'm impressed overall with Windows 7 from a user's point of view (I don't know about Windows internals, so can't comment there.) I like how they hid the annoying UAC prompts - I don't care how insecure it is, they don't help anyway as most users will just absentmindedly click "allow" on all of them. Security should be part of the user, not the operating system. It is the user's responsibility to operate their computer correctly: is it the car manufacturer's fault if a person drives their car into a tree at 70mph?

It does have a couple of annoyances, though, that stop it from being my primary Windows version. I hate the Vista menu, and the classic one is no longer available. And they removed InkBall! :-(

[MattCa140]

Haha, yeah, I'm often referred to as the "hacker" by those who have no idea about programming and/or OS/program structure and see me coding. I was pastebin'ing some code I had written in the library before school this morning and some kid called me an "uberleet hacker." At least they got the usage of "hacker" correct.

Something worse once happened to me, I was in an IT lesson, and occasionally if I get my work done early I like to go through some of the code I have stored on my USB. However, on this particular day I had one of my rather loud friends sat next to me, and, I finished my work early. So, I began going through my USB, when said friend looked at my screen (I don't know why, he's usually mesmerized at the flashing buttons displayed when he visits a game website). As he didn't understand what I was doing he immediately screamed "OMG, UR HAKING THE COMPUTER"... The next thing I knew, I had half the class staring at my computer screen with my teacher looming over my shoulder .

More of the story to come... joking

Matt.

[Masterkiller]

More of the story to come... joking

Open notepad and create file with contents:

Code: Select all

start batch.bat
exit

save as batch.bat and start it. I tried in my school. They said that I damaged the computer. I was looking how the teacher check around 10 minutes the cable between the monitor and the computer. The teacher (who actually was teaching us to web programming) then tried to close the window. (Since every window is created in a different position, this is quite hard ). Finally the teacher decided that they will reinstall windows and I was accused of hacking the computer. I asked the teacher, why just not try to log off or restart the computer (which in shutdown sequince will stop any user processes) and why does she spend time of checking the video cable when it was obvious that this black windows with contents C:\Documents and settings\user>_ are actually command prompt windows. She was quite ashamed

[xDDunce]

haha, those 2 stories reminded me of my GCSE IT teacher. for the entire first year, my teacher would set us like 5 questions about 2 pages in a book and we had 2 lessons (50 mins each) to answer them, and i would always finish in bout 10 mins. then i would get out my USB and load up dev-cpp and get programming...

anyway, one day he was staring at IMPERO (not sure if anyone's had experience with it, but it's hilarious to use in schools) and he noticed the console continuously popping up on my screen. luckily he had a bit more knowledge than "ZOMG! it's brok'd!" but unlucky for me, he still thought i was hacking.

considering this was the year after one of my friends in the year above had been caught maliciously hacking the school servers and deleting files etc, i got in deep shizzle for it, and was close to being kicked out of the class... then the head of IT came in and explained the reality of the situation, and got me out of it. i guess that shows the difference between a web designer/spreadsheet enthusiast and a programmer/database loving weirdo... (we all love him for his weirdness).

anyway, back on topic... Isn't Window$ 7 supposed to be Window$ vista on a memory diet? but apparently it only uses about 256mb (or something stupid like that) less memory than vista anyway so you still need to (basicly) double your memory to do anything specialized like you can do on a base model Mac, or a higher range PC running XP (although i guess the security will be better on 7... or at least supposed to be).

Cheers,
James.

P.S. i tryed out Window$ 7 in parallels a few months back, and i liked it as a Window$ OS, but not so much as a general OS. I'm more of an XP user, having used it since the day it came out, and is proven by putting me on a machine running vista... i hate. i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it,i hate it,i hate it,i hate it. but that is just because i'm more accustomed to the look and feel of XP. but overall, nothing beats Mac OS X. At least not in my opinion.

[earlz]

More of the story to come... joking

Open notepad and create file with contents:

Code: Select all

start batch.bat
exit

save as batch.bat and start it. I tried in my school. They said that I damaged the computer. I was looking how the teacher check around 10 minutes the cable between the monitor and the computer. The teacher (who actually was teaching us to web programming) then tried to close the window. (Since every window is created in a different position, this is quite hard ). Finally the teacher decided that they will reinstall windows and I was accused of hacking the computer. I asked the teacher, why just not try to log off or restart the computer (which in shutdown sequince will stop any user processes) and why does she spend time of checking the video cable when it was obvious that this black windows with contents C:\Documents and settings\user>_ are actually command prompt windows. She was quite ashamed

one of my friends know of a "hack" lol
All you do is take a screen shot. make the task bar really small and disable desktop icons and set the screenshot as your background.. this took our IT guy about 2 hours and he really thought that someone hacked the computer(especially since it came back after a reboot! rofl)

also, you can telnet into my school's IP address(it's small enough they only have one internet IP)
I never did really try anything though as it had a password prompt, and this was after I exposed a major flaw in how every router was setup in our school and really in the district(I brought the internet from the elementary to parts of the college to a craw by a simple ping attack... wow no traffic control at all! I'm very pleased that they fixed it, though the bug should have never existed)

[Ferrarius]

At the secondary school I attended they at some point installed an app on alle the comptuers that should prevent us from visiting wrong pages and starting apps that shouldn't be started.

What wouldn't work:
- Firefox >_>
- Popular Flash Game Sites

Still websites at which one could buy malicious things because they didn't bother to save that. Some people even managed to get folder regarding firearms delivered to school. I did not do these things.

Anyway, As I mentioned Firefox could not run because of the application so I had to find a hack making the app inert. The app used a sort of dual watchdog, two applications watching whether or not the other one was running and if not restarting it. It was possible to freeze/kill them simultaneously but this would not always work. At some point I however found a far more elegant hack, start notepad (really, this is insane) and the app completely stops working. Firefox would start and keep running and all the previously blocked sites were accessible again.

But back to win 7, I used it for a while but I found the way the interface was designed was way to restrictive, it just felt like all control was taken away from me. Shortly after the test I banned every microsoft product from my intranet.